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Otterly Delightful's avatar

I can't express strongly enough how much I wish we had something like the Civilization Conservation Corps today. We really need to let go of college as the North star for every child - the credentialing issue trickles all the way down to elementary school so we have second graders worried about getting Bs. Not everyone is meant to be an entrepreneur or an academic! But we've so devalued (literally) manufacturing, public service, farming, etc, it's going to be a tough sell. But like...we'll always need people to fix the roads and grow food and be social workers.

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Jay L Gischer's avatar

So. Gonna be a bit contrarian. I taught CS - in college - once upon a time. I taught a class - Formal Languages and Finite Automata - that the students widely thought was a waste of time. "Why do we need to learn this?" I heard constantly. As you say, arrogant little shits.

But they were also smart and aware and they would graduate and get jobs and then come back a year after graduation and drop by my office and tell me "finite state machines are everywhere!". I would just nod. That's why we taught them. They wouldn't ever see it or think it valuable if we hadn't taught them about them.

But you know, we are teaching people technical skills. Things that would make them better engineers or scientists.

Knowing about finite-state machines does not make you a better entrepreneur. Database-backed websites are really easy to build. You can do it without knowing about FSM. You can hire people to do it and know even less.

So everybody has their favorite story about a college dropout that made billions in the computer industry. I'm not sure, but I think that window has closed. Most startups go nowhere. Some get acquired and the rewards for founders are sufficient for the founders to try again. It's the bankers making the money. Maybe you have the next pet rock, I mean Facebook, and you will make billions. The odds aren't there, though.

However, and this is something that we sort of agree on, I learned and taught this stuff because I loved it. Because I thought it was fascinating in its own right. Because it was some fundamental knowledge of how the universe worked. Like math. And it would have been nice to have more students with that same attitude.

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